The Real Reason Rothfuss’ Kingkiller 3 Is Not Here Yet

Kenny Brechner -- April 27th, 2017

One thing many booksellers have in common is a weariness of answering questions about the publication date of the third book in Patrick Rothfuss’ Kingkiller trilogy. It is a weariness shared by others connected to the book as well. The author is sick of being asked about it, the publisher is sick of being asked about it, and readers are sick of asking booksellers about it. It has been over 11 years since my former Penguin rep, Peter Giannoni, mailed me an ARC of book one,The Name of the Wind, telling me that he thought I would like it (true) and that the author had written all three books while he was in grad school so there wouldn’t be a wait involved beyond the usual one year between each release (not true).

At this point, seven years out from when I read book two, Wise Man’s Fear, it seemed time to get some hard facts about the cause for the continuing absence of book three. The way I decided to approach this was to pull together a list of possible causes, and then ask someone who would know for sure if any of them were true. Fortunately Bast himself, one of the book’s characters, agreed to review the materials and give his assessment. First of all here’s the list.

  1. Though the Chronicler is a fictional character, Kvothe really did make a deal with Patrick Rothfuss himself to relate his story. Unfortunately Kvothe changed his mind after the second day, and disappeared so that the third book will never come out unless Kvothe reappears.
  2. Rothfuss always intended to write a two-book unfinished trilogy as a kind of malevolent art form which he hoped would impress Andy Warhol’s ghost.
  3. Rothfuss has played an infamous  practical joke on the universe by publishing the Kingkiller conclusion without anyone realizing it. Book three, whose announced title is The Doors of Stone, was published with a different title and attributed author, The Darkling Child,  by Terry BrooksThough published as though it were the fourth book in The Defenders of Shannara series it is actually The Doors of Stone written by Rothfuss. This was diabolically clever because no one actually read The Darkling Child so it was the perfect crime.
  4. Though changelings are traditionally infants left in cradles, an enterprising goblin replaced the actual Patrick Rothfuss with the person who is currently masquerading as actually working on book three.
  5. Rothfuss has a rare condition, chronoglacialis, in which the sufferer experiences life at one-sixth the speed of normal time. Thus, those complaining about the long delay are being spectacularly insensitive.
  6. Kvothe cast two interwoven Sisyphean  spells on Rothfuss. The first making perfection a compulsory absolute and the second allowing him to see an infinite number of perspectives on his work making perfection and imperfection alternate indefinitely as the endless supply of perspectives appear successively, each one undoing the perfection attained by the last.

Kenny:  You seem like someone who knows a good deal about what is going on behind the normal field of vision.

Bast: Would you like to have me test that theory out on yourself?

Kenny: Umm. Absolutely not.

Bast: You are not quite as much of a fool as I supposed.

Kenny: Well, there’s still time here to prove yourself right.

Bast: Very true, but how can I help you?

Kenny: I was hoping you could assess the list above and tell us whether any of them is true.

Bast: Yes, one of them is the truth.

Kenny: Aha. Which one?

Bast: Wouldn’t you like to know!

Kenny: I see, well can you rule any of them out?

Bast: Is this part of your effort to have me reassess your character?

Kenny: Not at all.

Bast: Okay then. I’ll tell you that it’s not number two because Warhol is not dead. I personally helped fake his death.

Kenny: I see. Can you tell me where he is now?

Bast: No.

Kenny: Okay, are there any other ones we can eliminate from consideration?

Bast: Yes I would suggest eliminating the five which are wrong. Think, man!

Kenny: Hmmn, well I just took a look at The Darkling Child. Ouch. It is definitely not answer three. There are no goblins in the Kingkiller world so I’ll strike that one out too. If Rothfuss had chronoglacialis he would still be making more progress than he has. Hmmn. I don’t think Kvothe would just run off. I think the casting of the spells, answer 6, is the only really likely explanation.

Bast: I agree.

Kenny: You do?

Bast: I do. and now we turn to the little matter of my fee.

Kenny: Umm. Signing off here!

(Important Note: I have just reported on a shocking new development in The Doors of Stone delay. Patrick Rothfuss’ Kingkiller Three – A New Update!)

43 thoughts on “The Real Reason Rothfuss’ Kingkiller 3 Is Not Here Yet

  1. andrew

    His right to make us wait. His right to act like a child when it comes to his books. But many of us are so sick and tired of waiting we’re getting resentful. We don’t even have an idea of where he’s at. None of us would be offended if he turned it into a four or five part series I think…

    If he ever releases it… I just don’t think his fans will be there. He’s right to say there are other authors to enjoy, but that’s a part of the problem. Lol He’ll pass into obscurity as we lose all interest.

    This is honestly the last time I’m googling his book. I’m just not wasting time with this guy’s work. :/ I just don’t care about his characters anymore. All I feel when I think of kvothe is frustration, irritation, and disappointment. Lol

    I sure as shit won’t be buying any new books into any of his new series. Lol

    1. Chris

      Same. Kvothe was interesting and a really wanted to see what would be revealed about the history of his character and how he got to where we had found him… but that was a DECADE ago. I feel that candle has burnt out.

  2. Loyal

    My father died of Cancer this last summer. He will never see the last book in the series. I survived it. I remember we both had chemo on the same day once. He was in Texas, and I in Iowa. We called each other and actually spoke some of the books and many things. If the book is indeed finished as this thread suggests, I wish my father and possibly many fans who have possibly passed on could have read it. Not as some cheesy dying wishes, but as something that could have helped them in their last days. Simple joys, we all take for granted. Talking about a common book series with someone as your day was otherwise full of some suffering and harshness as the world reminds us of our own mortality. I am good now. Two rounds with cancer and I am what we call “a survivor”. Some surgery, chemo treatments, and tons of tests, I am free for now. I get to play with my kids, go to work, and I am blessed. I keep these books from my kids for now. I let them read pretty much the rest of anything I own. I just tell them they are not finished and not worth starting until they are. They appear to get it for now.

    1. Jason

      Hey there, brother. I can really appreciate your comment here. I also beat cancer a few years ago, with the docs telling me that the statistical chances I would live out the year were very low. It’s incredibly touching that you and your dad fought it together. About this third book: I’m not even sure I want to read it any more. I loved the first one. I’m certain the author told the press and his fans that we wouldn’t have to worry about waiting for the next two because they were already written and he was going to make sure they were released like clockwork annually. He made a big deal about it, really. Talk about eating your words. The second book was not what I expected when it finally arrived; I enjoyed it, but as oversized as it was, it still felt like a continuing preamble. 2 books of inflated exposition in a trilogy is downright weird. Um, when do the EVENTS happen? Kvothe still didn’t even know who the dang Chandrians were. You know, the primary antagonists? Anyway, this far into waiting for the third book and I’ve got to admit the appeal has soured. His writing is wonderful. His influences are so clearly matched to my own. I know his dad died, hes a dad himself, etc. and I am certainly not callous to that. But I am a musician, and I often ask myself when I play shows: how much am I doing this for the people I am sharing my art with, and how much am I doing it for me? It’s a mix, of course. I’ve read much of Pat’s bloggings and interviews and webisodes, and I’ve just finally concluded that he seems to genuinely have lost touch with his fans. When confronted with the outcry at delays, he demonstrates flippancy, countermeasure (we should appreciate the difficulty for HIM), and downright anger, but very little empathic accountability. Just like a little kid who won’t admit they’ve done something wrong even when they know they have. It seems as though, throughout this whole screwup, he’s decided that he’s always been doing this whole thing entirely for himself, not for his readers to at all. Yours is not even close to the first experience I have heard relating to avid fans of his series not living to read the conclusion. That’s heavy, man. The Wheel of Time being left unfinished by Jordan is still on everyone’s mind, too. I’ve never encountered Rothfuss addressing this kind of actual gravity to the situation. He should. I’m soured on the third book, man. Wish it didn’t pan out like that. Thanks for your comment. It would be awesome if Patrick Rothfuss would appreciate a comment like yours as much as I do. Peace n prosperity.

  3. Betty

    I think other authors should write their versions of book 3 as they see the plot playing out – who knows there may be several really excellent and very different alternative endings – and the pleasure of punishing Patrick for being so slow…

  4. Blake

    My question, why the veering away from DAWS books? Is Pat fight a battle between publishers? Is Pat done with some politicle B.S. DAWS has in play, while lately all his works have been published through subterranean lately? Considering Patrick Rothfuss is pretty busy and publishing out of another publisher, can only tell me that something dirty in the background might be going on with DAWS.

  5. Bob Marley

    I am lucky enough to pick up the series from not too long ago from 2015, and the second book took until mid-2016 to finish. However I can not imagine the feelings of disappointment some fans feel who started back 2007 when ‘The Name of The Wind’ was released. Patrick Rothfuss has the best and tolerable fans and I hope he does not destroy that loyalty.

  6. not4me

    All I have to say is: I will read Doors of stone, but I will not pay for it. If he won’t finish it he should have said so years ago and been done. If he can’t finish it, fine. If he doesn’t want to, fine. Collectively, his fans have given him fame, $, a way to start a nonprofit using said fame… His story is his, but I will never trust him to actually finish something again . Given, he is not our “bitch,” however, he does owe us something. If anyone knew how long it would be between the 2nd and 3rd books who would have bought it? Where would he be if no one bothered to read anything he wrote just because he won’t finish it and gives lame excuses? Just be honest, whatever the reason, it’s better than being defensive, he should just come clean and tell us. “I F…ing hate this story now” would be better than what we’re getting. Just seems super entitled to not complete the story so many people have been mislead into investing in and not give a compelling reason as to why he has essentially conned us into collectively giving him a career that he is no longer willing to earn.

  7. Rohan Raj

    Who’s Bast and Kenny? And what is this kvothe we are talking about. And I knew the names you mentioned here like “the name of the wind” and “the wise asss’ fear or so”, oh yeah it was a funny cartoony story I read some years ago. Come to think of it I was looking forward for a cartoon show with all that Tom and Jerry colorful stuff.

  8. Tyre Washington

    I’m giving up on this series, just as the author has given up on me! Nobody would even know who he was if it wasn’t for us investing in him to begin with!! Now he’s too big for his true, original fans?! It’s like a slap in the face. I’m getting antsy waiting for Sanderson’s Stormlight book 3. But at least I KNOW it won’t take 7 years!! Rothfuss is never going to finish and I will never support anything he’s involved in!

  9. Tom Sante

    I waited years for book two of Winds of War by Herman Wouk (War and Remembrance) so I guess I can wait a bit longer for The Doors of Stone, however I’m dying here…please…let’s get it published.

  10. Phillipe Bojorquez

    I’ve rarely encountered a book as well written and captivating as the name of the wind series, so I can understand fans eagerness to want to know when to finish a novel. I think the point of the stories to me was that stories encapsulate stories, and depending on the speaker, or perspective, the mythology of those stories change, and by doing so change us. I think, though unfortunate, the wait for the final book is a story, one wth many perspectives, its clear to me how it has changed many people from tolerable fans of fantasy, into angry children, upset that they were not given what they consider theirs.

    Something i learned growing up on a reservation is that you cannot own a mans story, just as you cannot own a mans spirit. If attempted to capture it, you cage a force but lose the vessel that guides it. Both separated and longing. There are so many beautiful works of fiction out there, and so many ways to engage our minds in myth that i hope others find their way to deserving authors while waiting for one of their favorite series to finish. I have found some truly outstanding novels to bid my time.

    If Patrick ever reads these things, best of luck man, in all you do. When the novel is ready, I’ll be ready but until then, im chasing the name of the wind in the real world.

    1. leslie sorrells

      After my 5th time reading books 1&2 I was prepared to be upset.. again. Your comment brought me back into my own space and allowed me to access what I also learned from my heritage. Thank you for the solid reminder of where I came from.

  11. Gav

    In my opinion there are a couple of main reasons he hasn’t finished the book. Either he has written himself into a corner and is struggling with the conclusion of the book and it has been easier to concentrate on the Wordbuilders stuff and other pursuits as a distraction. Or he is trying to worldbuild (pardon the play on Wordbuild) in the sense that he is getting the merch out there like cards, t shirts, fancy cartography etc. As he agreed a TV deal for the first two books he may be waiting for those to become a complete commercial and financial success it would make sense to try and win over a whole new audience so when the last book is released the expectation has reached fever pitch.

    The guy has a family and deserves to make money like everyone else so I don’t begrudge him holding out for the ideal time to release the book but 7 years is too long and I get the fans frustration at this point. An author can run the risk of leaving it too long and people actually losing interest or forgetting large parts the backstory and becoming apathetic to rereading them again. I think if it drags on much longer (Beyond 2018) fans could become angry and turn away, especially if the TV show bombs.

  12. Vystrel

    We all saw the picture of the completed manuscript from like 5 years ago or whatever it was. The reason why he never appears to be working on the book anymore is because he isn’t. Because it’s done. He just decided he didn’t like it, or that it wouldn’t be well received, or that if he published it that it wouldn’t be his anymore, or who knows what pathetic other reason. He’s a manchild that completely takes his readers/customers for granted. People don’t buy books in a series without the expectation of the series being finished in a timely manner, and authors shouldn’t sell any books of a planned series if they don’t intend to take finishing the series very seriously. As in, ‘hey, this is my job, and I sold something to people on the promise of finishing what I started, so I better get to work.’. In my opinion, Rothfus doesn’t ever want/intend to finish/release the last book. He wants to pull a GRRM (who will also never finish his series now, mark my words) and let a TV show (and team of writers) finish it for him instead. He strikes me as an incredibly lazy guy, and I think this is a very appealing path for someone like him. In any case, his first two books were pretty good, but certainly not the spun gold some people act like. My real anger stems from the fact that I was misled and only realized it after investing many hours of my life on a false promise.

    1. Abenthy

      In the words of Rothfuss himself, authors “are not your bitch”. It’s his story, his property, and he can choose whether to share it with you or not. he does not have some kind of contract with you, or some obligation to appeal to your feelings. try writing for more than 4 hours every day and produce something of perfect substance, all the while having your own family and problems to deal with. you guys act like authors have nothing other then writing for you and it’s ridiculous.

      1. Victor Hester

        It’s been 7 years. He could write a half of a page per day and it would have been done last year. Your a fool if you think he is working on it. there is an implied contract here, so yes he owes me and the other millions of people the last book. So he is my bitch. He is lazy pc of crap, if he had any work ethic at all he would have finished this 5 years ago. You have 10’s of thousands of examples of people who wrote all 3 books in less than 5 years. Many in 3 or less. If he wanted to take 12 years or 20, totally 100% his prerogative, but then hold the first two until the thirds done. Don’t ask us (the people buying the books) to front you millions of dollars and then walk away. You excuse makers make me sick. “Oh, he is just trying to write the best book possible”. Yea right, he hasn’t touched this book in years and until you lame-o’s stop making excuses for him he will never change. I for one am going to boycott DAW books until they force this jerk to fulfill his contract.

        1. Hyde

          You ever thought that maybe he hasn’t released it is because he likes to troll people like you? I mean seriously lol getting so angry over a book… If I were him I’d totally do it. But to go on and to say that he owes you something is kinda stupid if you ask me. You were the one who made the decision to invest in his books. So why be angry about it? It’s not like you have any power to change the outcome. If you don’t like how things turned out then maybe plan your investments better. Personally I’m quite happy with the books and don’t mind the wait. Theres plenty else to do in life then wait around for a book.

      2. Mike Torrisi

        So let’s say you go to a restaurant. The waiter tells you that the special of the day is a 3 course meal for $30. You order that meal. Soup comes, it’s good. Salad comes, delicious. But then the waiter tells you that they’re just not happy with the main course. In fact, the kitchen is being remodeled into a winery. He asks if you’d like to donate some money to help pay for the remodel. You say that you’d just like your main course. Soon, because you have other things to do with your life. The waiter gets offended. The remodel is important, he tells you. He won’t even charge you for the main course. He’s not your bitch and stop bothering him about the damn food.

        You’re right. Rothfuss is not my bitch. But he is *a* bitch. Rothfuss the author is pretty good. Rothfuss the human being is a piece of shit. I was promised a 3 course meal and got soup and salad. Refund me the $50 I wasted on an incomplete story, and I’ll stop bitching about what a ripoff artist Pat is.

      3. Josh

        Um…yeah sure. You’re absolutely right about it being his property…however, as a previous poster commented, he’s also selling a product to people…and people are buying that product based on an implied agreement between author and reader – that the story they invest themselves in will be satisfying, and satisfying stories have ENDINGS. Now, CAN Rothfuss simply refuse to release his final book just to make a point if he chooses to? Of course he can. That’s his prerogative. However, it’s also our prerogative as readers to tell him to go f**k himself. I read the first book when I was 29 years old. I’m now a couple years away from 40 and book isn’t out yet. That sh*t is ridiculous. Realistically, most of us who read the first two books simply won’t care about the third book when it comes out, or we simply won’t have enough time in our lives to read the blasted thing – and he WILL release it. It WILL be published. He just may not get the response he wants from consumers when it is.

  13. Tracie

    My hat is off to Kenny, as these are my favorite and the best most likely reasons for the delay. Thank you, And may I also suggest you write your version of the “probable” ending to The Doors of Stone.

  14. jim bean

    if i had known he took 18 years to finish the first one i wouldn’t have started reading this most beautiful fantasy. it looks like i might die before pat finishes it. i’m 73.

    1. Bob Narly

      It’s easy to come up with an idea for a story, it’s always harder to come up with a good ending, like the wheel of time books, series should have been a trilogy, but Robert Jordan’s rambling just kept it going(why did I waste my time). Lucky for us he died and we got Brandon Sanderson to finally finish it. My guess is he isn’t creative enough to find a way to end the series and he fears losing his popularity, because as long as he doesn’t publish people still think he is a good writer. I’m sure he already has more money then him or his family will ever need, so it will never be done for that reason.

      1. Joseph Smith

        This coming from Bob the New York Times bestselling author. Thank you for educating us on how easy it is to just come up with a best selling idea for a book and engage us with your inspiring thoughts on how the whole process works. I’m sure the late Robert Jordans family and the millions of fans who loved his series appreciates your thoughtful and heart warming comments on how good it is that he died. I do agree that there was some unnecessary “fluff” in the series, but I for one am thankful for the degree of character development that Robert painstakingly went to. I am certain that both Robert Jordan and other authors who don’t fit into your neat little trilogy world should be nothing if not apologetic to you for breaking the standard format of fitting everything into three books. How very interesting your world must be! As to the subject of Patrick Rothfuss… sigh… I believe he is already losing popularity, as there is truly little excuse for taking this long to finish something that millions of people have invested in, as Victor pointed out in an earlier comment. Even Robert Jordan, upon his untimely death, ensured that his series would be completed for the millions of fans who he made a commitment and a promise to. Rothfuss might have his reasons and for my part I just want him to stand up and tell us the truth. Yes, he does owe that to us. We are all investors in his work of art and commitment to a completion of that work. Thank you again Bob for your insight. I personally hope that a company like apple will come up with an interesting piece of tech similar to the thumbprint access on their phones. It will be a gauge of intelligence and when not up to the standards set forth by the individual website, the “unintelligent” person will not be able to express their opinion. Think of it, it could be glorious, thereby keeping idiots like yourself from publicly expressing their opinion at all except on websites where people of a similar “low intelligence” can all just congregate and carefully form more brilliant ideas just like yours!

  15. Kris

    The real reason? Because he doesn’t have to. Just because something is a non-profit doesn’t mean that he can’t be paid a modest salary from his World Builder charity. As someone else noted, there is no shortage of people willing to buy the various pieces of merchandise that he funds through kickstarter and the like. The most recent deck of cards campaign has over $500K pledged on something that had an original goal of $25K. I will grant you that they are a very well done and beautiful set of cards that I’m sure took a lot of work to collaborate and produce, still it’s a fairly inexpensive thing to actually produce. So there’s quite a bit of profit to be had there.

    I will caveat the above with saying that I firmly believe Mr. Rothfuss is actually one hell of an outstanding guy. I have no doubt that everything he’s involved in is because he believes in it, and honestly wants to make a difference and help people. Nor would I begrudge him a salary from those efforts to help support himself as he takes on the immense amount of work needed to organize and run the fundraisers every year. I am merely pointing out that because he may (and I honestly do not know if he does) be able to support himself and his family from that effort, there might be less pressure to produce the next book.

    And I also believe that he has a bit of a quandary story wise. With one book to go, we have probably 10 years to cover from where we left off the last book, and where we found him at the beginning of the first. You can’t gloss over too much, because the sheer detail and depth of these stories is what a lot of people really enjoy. His universe is broad enough to support more than just a trilogy, but he still has to wrap up THIS story in just one book.

    Brandon Sanderson faced something similar when tasked with completing the Wheel of Time series. Simply too much story to be told to wrap up in one book. I look forward to the next book in the series, and I enjoy re-reading the two he’s published. However I have no illusions that he will finish this trilogy anytime within the next several years.

  16. The Nightguy

    I believe Rothfuss’ delay is an act of professional courtesy.
    He is simply allowing George R. R. Martin to finish his long overdue conclusion(s) to GoT.
    Overall a very respectful attitude worthy of acclaim, not the growing crowd of pitchfork wielding fans in evidence on a daily basis. 😉

    **heads off to sharpen his tines**

  17. Addiction314

    Here is the problem with the final book of the trilogy: it is a little-known fact that Tool’s next album is a concept piece based on the Kingkiller Chronicle…and can’t be finished until the final book of the trilogy is complete (Maynard is a HUGE Rothfuss fan throughout all aspects of the wine-making process). No issues yet…Tool can do what they want, right? But Rothfuss has promised himself to base Kvothe’s music in The Doors of Stone on Tool’s forthcoming album to show the angst and darker side of a teenager in his 17+ years…and now you see the problem. Neither artist(s) can finish their promised work until the other does…and we wait in futility.

  18. Steven M. Vance

    I suspect that this series may have gone the way of Diane Duane’s Door Into Fire/Door Into Shadow/Door Into (???). She, apparently, prefers writing Star Trek and young adult novels. A real shame, from my perspective. She came up with something truly original and ahead of its time, then walked away from it.

    I can understand Patrick Rothfuss might be tired of hearing the “When…?” question. Of course, the flip side of that is why would I buy all his “add-on” products (card decks, t-shirts, special editions, etc.) when I don’t even know if the series will be finished? It all comes back to communication. At least take the time to tell your fans how it is going…if you want to keep them.

  19. Zirth of 3 Ghosts

    I hate the wait but will continue to wait as long as the story is told in full. If that means a third and final book or 5 more books at 1100 pages so be it. I prefer the 5 books at 1100 pages.

  20. Clifton Hill

    Well, and here’s the issue with writing: The author labors to make a masterpiece to make sure it sells and explodes across the scene. If successful they now have to replicate said success, but make it even better with a sequel. And of course the issue is only compounded by follow-ups.

    Great expectations and all. How can an author of such a respected work do it justice when expectations are so high? They will only want the best for their fans and to do their work justice, but that is like diving down the rabbit hole head first.

    I can only imagine that Rothfuss wishes he had truly finished all 3 books out the gate before the books grew to such unsustainable expectations. The sequels might not have been quite as well-tuned and amazing as they no doubt are—a hypothesis based on Wise Man’s Fear—but any creative can be plagued by the wish to make their work better.

    Here’s hoping that Rothfuss gains the comfort with the final book(s) of the work and his publisher hits “send.”

  21. Ashley Hardwick

    An entertaining read! You showed up on my google search to see what if any progress had been made towards publishing and releasing the third volume. Thus, while I enjoyed your post, I wish you did have some real reasons for the absence of the third volume.

  22. Donna Martin

    I check periodically for release date, but I think Mr. Rothfuss wants us all to die unfinished like his story. It seems a cruel and unusual punishment for us all
    I would never do that if I wrote such a wonderful story. Perhaps he can’t figure out how to finish.

  23. An'e

    I think Kenny with your imajination and obvious knowlege of P.R.’s characters that u should finish the darn book. I used to love mr.Rothfussy but that is over. No author who creates a story like that and then leaves those, who adore him for it ,hanging in pain for this many years is heartless. To mr.Rothfussy:
    No man can be awesome without a heart. Have a care Tin man

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