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		<title>By: S.O.</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 04:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You might be thinking of Anne McCaffrey there. She has some pretty off-base ideas about LGBT causes. 

I cannot remember anything like that in anything of Le Guin&#039;s writing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might be thinking of Anne McCaffrey there. She has some pretty off-base ideas about LGBT causes. </p>
<p>I cannot remember anything like that in anything of Le Guin&#8217;s writing.</p>
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		<title>By: S.O.</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 04:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who&#039;s trying to sanction the publisher? I can count a half dozen books from Subterranean press on my shelves right now, and i am sure there will be more. 

At the same time I can still say that I wouldn&#039;t touch this particular book with a ten foot pole. And i can tell the publisher that. They have every right in the world to ignore my opinion. or, possibly, they might take a second look and agree with me-- possibly decide that they won&#039;t publish homophobic-- and mediocre-- garbage just because there&#039;s a famous name attached to it]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who&#8217;s trying to sanction the publisher? I can count a half dozen books from Subterranean press on my shelves right now, and i am sure there will be more. </p>
<p>At the same time I can still say that I wouldn&#8217;t touch this particular book with a ten foot pole. And i can tell the publisher that. They have every right in the world to ignore my opinion. or, possibly, they might take a second look and agree with me&#8211; possibly decide that they won&#8217;t publish homophobic&#8211; and mediocre&#8211; garbage just because there&#8217;s a famous name attached to it</p>
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		<title>By: Diversity &#124; Rocket Science News</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diversity &#124; Rocket Science News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] has excellent posts on both topics: here for Card, and here for the YA [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Lila</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Left Hand of Darkness doesn&#039;t say that, but I think I found the passage that you might be misremembering:

&quot;Goss used the pronoun that designates a male animal, not the pronoun for a human being in the masculine role of kemmer. He looked a little embarrassed. Karhiders discuss sexual matters freely, and talk about kemmer with both reverence and gusto, but they are reticent about discussing perversions—at least, they were with me. Excessive prolongation of the kemmer period, with permanent hormonal imbalance toward the male or the female, causes what they call perversion; it is not rare; three or four percent of adults may be physiological perverts or abnormals-normals, by our standard. They are not excluded from society, but they are tolerated with some disdain, as homosexuals are in many bisexual societies. The Karhidish slang for them is halfdeads. They are sterile.&quot;

Notes:
-&quot;Karhide&quot; is a country on the planet Gethen.
-&quot;Perversion&quot; here means a person who is always male, or always female. Most Gethenians aren&#039;t.
-&quot;Bisexual societies&quot; here means societies where the people are divided into two sexes. In Gethenian societies they aren&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Left Hand of Darkness doesn&#8217;t say that, but I think I found the passage that you might be misremembering:</p>
<p>&#8220;Goss used the pronoun that designates a male animal, not the pronoun for a human being in the masculine role of kemmer. He looked a little embarrassed. Karhiders discuss sexual matters freely, and talk about kemmer with both reverence and gusto, but they are reticent about discussing perversions—at least, they were with me. Excessive prolongation of the kemmer period, with permanent hormonal imbalance toward the male or the female, causes what they call perversion; it is not rare; three or four percent of adults may be physiological perverts or abnormals-normals, by our standard. They are not excluded from society, but they are tolerated with some disdain, as homosexuals are in many bisexual societies. The Karhidish slang for them is halfdeads. They are sterile.&#8221;</p>
<p>Notes:<br />
-&#8221;Karhide&#8221; is a country on the planet Gethen.<br />
-&#8221;Perversion&#8221; here means a person who is always male, or always female. Most Gethenians aren&#8217;t.<br />
-&#8221;Bisexual societies&#8221; here means societies where the people are divided into two sexes. In Gethenian societies they aren&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Lila</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Would you prefer if the commenter had said &quot;It’s the job of all of us to speak out against *bigotry*, not just the victims,&quot; instead?

To say that we have a moral obligation to speak out against X is not to deny that we also have a right to X. I think we have a right to be bigots. I also think we have a moral obligation to eschew bigotry, and to speak out against it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you prefer if the commenter had said &#8220;It’s the job of all of us to speak out against *bigotry*, not just the victims,&#8221; instead?</p>
<p>To say that we have a moral obligation to speak out against X is not to deny that we also have a right to X. I think we have a right to be bigots. I also think we have a moral obligation to eschew bigotry, and to speak out against it.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Tolle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Tolle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 15:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Which feeds back into the ideological subtext expressed in Enders Game that it&#039;s intent that matters, not the actual action. As long as your doing it for the right reasons, any action is justified.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which feeds back into the ideological subtext expressed in Enders Game that it&#8217;s intent that matters, not the actual action. As long as your doing it for the right reasons, any action is justified.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim C. Hines &#187; Links and Thoughts on OSC&#8217;s &#8220;Hamlet&#8217;s Father&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim C. Hines &#187; Links and Thoughts on OSC&#8217;s &#8220;Hamlet&#8217;s Father&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 13:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] The Offensiveness Grenade and Official Statements from Rose Fox at Genreville: including statements from Tor and from Marvin Kaye, who originally published Card&#8217;s story. From Tor, &#8220;We do not attempt to censor the political or religious beliefs of any of our authors, and make our acquisition decisions based on commercial potential.&#8221; [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Offensiveness Grenade and Official Statements from Rose Fox at Genreville: including statements from Tor and from Marvin Kaye, who originally published Card&#8217;s story. From Tor, &#8220;We do not attempt to censor the political or religious beliefs of any of our authors, and make our acquisition decisions based on commercial potential.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Jasper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.publishersweekly.com/blogs/genreville/?p=1498&#038;cpage=1#comment-112358</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Jasper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For that matter, as a quote below, there&#039;s the absurd and insulting theory that being molested can turn one gay

&lt;blockquote&gt;.The dark secret of homosexual society -- the one that dares not speak its name -- is how many homosexuals first entered into that world through a disturbing seduction or rape or molestation or abuse, and how many of them yearn to get out of the homosexual community and live normally. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

O. S. Card&#039;s essay &quot;Homosexual &quot;Marriage&quot; and Civilization&quot;

The thing is, Card does not see himself as &quot;anti-gay&quot; because he sees the goal as ridding the world of queerness as a positive thing &lt;b&gt;for&lt;/b&gt; all those who&#039;re queer.  Anything done to stop us is for our own good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For that matter, as a quote below, there&#8217;s the absurd and insulting theory that being molested can turn one gay</p>
<blockquote><p>.The dark secret of homosexual society &#8212; the one that dares not speak its name &#8212; is how many homosexuals first entered into that world through a disturbing seduction or rape or molestation or abuse, and how many of them yearn to get out of the homosexual community and live normally. </p></blockquote>
<p>O. S. Card&#8217;s essay &#8220;Homosexual &#8220;Marriage&#8221; and Civilization&#8221;</p>
<p>The thing is, Card does not see himself as &#8220;anti-gay&#8221; because he sees the goal as ridding the world of queerness as a positive thing <b>for</b> all those who&#8217;re queer.  Anything done to stop us is for our own good.</p>
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		<title>By: Official Statements &#171; Genreville</title>
		<link>http://blogs.publishersweekly.com/blogs/genreville/?p=1498&#038;cpage=1#comment-112254</link>
		<dc:creator>Official Statements &#171; Genreville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] my post about &#8220;Hamlet&#8217;s Father&#8221;, I said I didn&#8217;t expect Marvin Kaye or Tor Books to disavow or apologize for publishing it in [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] my post about &#8220;Hamlet&#8217;s Father&#8221;, I said I didn&#8217;t expect Marvin Kaye or Tor Books to disavow or apologize for publishing it in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James Davis Nicoll</title>
		<link>http://blogs.publishersweekly.com/blogs/genreville/?p=1498&#038;cpage=1#comment-111515</link>
		<dc:creator>James Davis Nicoll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 16:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EmDrive#New_Scientist_article&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; a real world example of what can happen when news outlet supposedly devoted to science news veers too far into embracing nonsense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EmDrive#New_Scientist_article" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s</a> a real world example of what can happen when news outlet supposedly devoted to science news veers too far into embracing nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: ellid</title>
		<link>http://blogs.publishersweekly.com/blogs/genreville/?p=1498&#038;cpage=1#comment-111436</link>
		<dc:creator>ellid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 12:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He&#039;s also a board member for the National Organization for Marriage, representing the Mormon Church.  Wasn&#039;t NOM recently listed as hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s also a board member for the National Organization for Marriage, representing the Mormon Church.  Wasn&#8217;t NOM recently listed as hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center?</p>
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		<title>By: ellid</title>
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		<dc:creator>ellid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 12:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not going to tell Subterranean Press what to publish.  But I *am* going to buy a couple of Diane Duane&#039;s books in Card&#039;s honor.  She gets the royalties, he gets a message, and no harm done....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not going to tell Subterranean Press what to publish.  But I *am* going to buy a couple of Diane Duane&#8217;s books in Card&#8217;s honor.  She gets the royalties, he gets a message, and no harm done&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: ellid</title>
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		<dc:creator>ellid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 12:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed.  He current has up a post on his website defending Hamlet&#039;s Father as NOT being anti-gay, just anti-pedophile...even though in the past he&#039;s at least tacitly expressed agreement with the long-discredited theory that gay men &quot;recruit&quot; teenage boys by molesting them.  He&#039;s also a member of the board of directors of the National Organization for Marriage, a hate group that has sponsored blatantly untrue TV commercials and radio spots that, you guessed it, decried gay marriage and hinted that gay men molest teenage boys.

As for this proposed boycott - no one is censoring his book, unless the government has swooped down and confiscated the whole Subterranean Press print run, or unless someone has demanded that a town library remove Hamlet&#039;s Father from the library.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  He current has up a post on his website defending Hamlet&#8217;s Father as NOT being anti-gay, just anti-pedophile&#8230;even though in the past he&#8217;s at least tacitly expressed agreement with the long-discredited theory that gay men &#8220;recruit&#8221; teenage boys by molesting them.  He&#8217;s also a member of the board of directors of the National Organization for Marriage, a hate group that has sponsored blatantly untrue TV commercials and radio spots that, you guessed it, decried gay marriage and hinted that gay men molest teenage boys.</p>
<p>As for this proposed boycott &#8211; no one is censoring his book, unless the government has swooped down and confiscated the whole Subterranean Press print run, or unless someone has demanded that a town library remove Hamlet&#8217;s Father from the library.</p>
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		<title>By: ellid</title>
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		<dc:creator>ellid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 12:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Uh, sorry, but requesting that a publisher not publish a bigoted book is not censorship. If the GOVERNMENT required Subterranean Press to withdraw Card&#039;s book, that would be censorship.  Two different things, I&#039;m afraid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, sorry, but requesting that a publisher not publish a bigoted book is not censorship. If the GOVERNMENT required Subterranean Press to withdraw Card&#8217;s book, that would be censorship.  Two different things, I&#8217;m afraid.</p>
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		<title>By: Caliban</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caliban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 07:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve never really thought about it but you may have something there regarding the sci-fi and fantasy genres and their authoritarian and monarchist tendencies. 

I have a better perspective on the mystery genre since I read a lot of books in that genre and worked in a mystery bookstore during college. As a general rule I think mystery novels have a deep concern with psychology because in order for the criminal characters to ring &#039;true,&quot; their crimes have to fit an overall psychological pattern so they don&#039;t come across as two dimensional pieces in a puzzle. The secret inner lives of characters also come into play either as motivation for crime or as red herrings to mislead. A frequent theme is is the accused innocent (who often becomes the &#039;detective&#039; character) so there&#039;s no assumption that authority is always right. Even in police (or FBI, etc) procedurals the hero is often a &#039;rogue&#039; who refuses to accept what others believe to be the obvious suspect, so even the police characters are often anti-authoritarian, &quot;mavericks.&quot; The righting of past wrongs is another frequent theme and often those wrongs were caused by past prejudices, whether they were racist, sexist, anti-Semitic, or homophobic in nature. 

So I&#039;d say that despite their focus on good and evil, right and wrong, mysteries are not reactionary at all and frequently deal in shades of gray, sympathetic &quot;bad guys&quot; (Dexter the &quot;good&quot; serial killer for instance) and very dislikable authorities. Really mysteries are more concerned with truth vs lies and proof IS required so &quot;that&#039;s just how those people are&quot; doesn&#039;t cut it except as motivation to look beneath that assumption for the truth.

Of course up through the 70s the evil gay killer was a genre standard but bad homos were standard in all genres. At best they were silly and useless.  And the problem there wasn&#039;t so much that the bad guy or girl was gay. There are bad gay people. The problem was, as it is in &quot;Hamlet&#039;s Father,&quot; is their badness was portrayed as a function of their BEING gay, as if an equation existed where homosexuality = evil. An act of murder or sexual abuse by other character were portrayed as personal failings, not a stain on heterosexuality, but the bad deeds of gay characters were attributed to gayness itself as if one were the natural consequence of the other. The problem was also that gay characters didn&#039;t show up except as villains so even if the portrayal was balanced the genre as a whole wasn&#039;t. It was no different or better than books where Jews were always greedy or blacks were, de facto, lazy and criminal because in all those cases (again as in Card&#039;s book) it denies those characters&#039; humanity and individuality, even responsibility since their evil acts are not really a personal choice, just the way &quot;those people&quot; are.

So no, generally mystery readers aren&#039;t authoritarian despite the many authority figures in the genre. Mystery readers are more truth-seekers and, as Stephen Colbert said, &quot;Reality has a well-known liberal bias.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never really thought about it but you may have something there regarding the sci-fi and fantasy genres and their authoritarian and monarchist tendencies. </p>
<p>I have a better perspective on the mystery genre since I read a lot of books in that genre and worked in a mystery bookstore during college. As a general rule I think mystery novels have a deep concern with psychology because in order for the criminal characters to ring &#8216;true,&#8221; their crimes have to fit an overall psychological pattern so they don&#8217;t come across as two dimensional pieces in a puzzle. The secret inner lives of characters also come into play either as motivation for crime or as red herrings to mislead. A frequent theme is is the accused innocent (who often becomes the &#8216;detective&#8217; character) so there&#8217;s no assumption that authority is always right. Even in police (or FBI, etc) procedurals the hero is often a &#8216;rogue&#8217; who refuses to accept what others believe to be the obvious suspect, so even the police characters are often anti-authoritarian, &#8220;mavericks.&#8221; The righting of past wrongs is another frequent theme and often those wrongs were caused by past prejudices, whether they were racist, sexist, anti-Semitic, or homophobic in nature. </p>
<p>So I&#8217;d say that despite their focus on good and evil, right and wrong, mysteries are not reactionary at all and frequently deal in shades of gray, sympathetic &#8220;bad guys&#8221; (Dexter the &#8220;good&#8221; serial killer for instance) and very dislikable authorities. Really mysteries are more concerned with truth vs lies and proof IS required so &#8220;that&#8217;s just how those people are&#8221; doesn&#8217;t cut it except as motivation to look beneath that assumption for the truth.</p>
<p>Of course up through the 70s the evil gay killer was a genre standard but bad homos were standard in all genres. At best they were silly and useless.  And the problem there wasn&#8217;t so much that the bad guy or girl was gay. There are bad gay people. The problem was, as it is in &#8220;Hamlet&#8217;s Father,&#8221; is their badness was portrayed as a function of their BEING gay, as if an equation existed where homosexuality = evil. An act of murder or sexual abuse by other character were portrayed as personal failings, not a stain on heterosexuality, but the bad deeds of gay characters were attributed to gayness itself as if one were the natural consequence of the other. The problem was also that gay characters didn&#8217;t show up except as villains so even if the portrayal was balanced the genre as a whole wasn&#8217;t. It was no different or better than books where Jews were always greedy or blacks were, de facto, lazy and criminal because in all those cases (again as in Card&#8217;s book) it denies those characters&#8217; humanity and individuality, even responsibility since their evil acts are not really a personal choice, just the way &#8220;those people&#8221; are.</p>
<p>So no, generally mystery readers aren&#8217;t authoritarian despite the many authority figures in the genre. Mystery readers are more truth-seekers and, as Stephen Colbert said, &#8220;Reality has a well-known liberal bias.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: btmom</title>
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		<dc:creator>btmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 00:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I strongly disagree with your position. A boycott, or similar economic action, is an entirely fair and reasonable way for a consumer to express its disapproval of the actions of any kind of business concern.  Or, to put it another way, why would I wish to financially support a business which engages in conducts I consider offensive? My disposable income is limited. There are far more things I want which cost money than I can afford. How I spend my money is, in many respects, an expression of my values. And that is one reason why I will no longer purchase Card&#039;s work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly disagree with your position. A boycott, or similar economic action, is an entirely fair and reasonable way for a consumer to express its disapproval of the actions of any kind of business concern.  Or, to put it another way, why would I wish to financially support a business which engages in conducts I consider offensive? My disposable income is limited. There are far more things I want which cost money than I can afford. How I spend my money is, in many respects, an expression of my values. And that is one reason why I will no longer purchase Card&#8217;s work.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Tolle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Tolle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 23:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve found it interesting that the &quot;Censorship!&quot; argument is mostly used these days in an attempt to shut down legitimate criticism of a work, and as a derailment from actual discussion of the work in question. Notice that the discussion has moved from discussing &quot;Hamlet&#039;s Father&quot;, to a defense of the ability to criticize. 

It also may be my limited perspective, but the acceptance and defense of extreme attitudes may be more common around the SF&amp;F genre, something which I tend to attribute to persistent reactionary themes, such as the &quot;great man&quot; idea, romanticizing monarchy and authoritarianism, etc.. But that may just be a limited perspective- do fans of other genres, such as mystery and historical romance notice similar defenses of reactionary attitudes?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve found it interesting that the &#8220;Censorship!&#8221; argument is mostly used these days in an attempt to shut down legitimate criticism of a work, and as a derailment from actual discussion of the work in question. Notice that the discussion has moved from discussing &#8220;Hamlet&#8217;s Father&#8221;, to a defense of the ability to criticize. </p>
<p>It also may be my limited perspective, but the acceptance and defense of extreme attitudes may be more common around the SF&amp;F genre, something which I tend to attribute to persistent reactionary themes, such as the &#8220;great man&#8221; idea, romanticizing monarchy and authoritarianism, etc.. But that may just be a limited perspective- do fans of other genres, such as mystery and historical romance notice similar defenses of reactionary attitudes?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Mamatas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Mamatas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 23:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s an extremely peculiar usage of the word &quot;censorship&quot; to apply it to a story that&#039;s been published, reprinted, and that is still in print in multiple formats.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an extremely peculiar usage of the word &#8220;censorship&#8221; to apply it to a story that&#8217;s been published, reprinted, and that is still in print in multiple formats.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 21:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you very much for giving your perspective!

When Card delivered the manuscript, did you have any opportunity to evaluate it before the book was published? Would it have been possible for you to say &quot;Not this novella, another one&quot; even if it meant another year&#039;s delay?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for giving your perspective!</p>
<p>When Card delivered the manuscript, did you have any opportunity to evaluate it before the book was published? Would it have been possible for you to say &#8220;Not this novella, another one&#8221; even if it meant another year&#8217;s delay?</p>
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		<title>By: Caliban</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caliban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 20:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would add that Orson Scott Card can write anything he likes, as guaranteed by the First Amendment. But Free Speech is a 2-way street. Freedom of Speech is by no means Freedom From Criticism Of What You Say. Just as he has the right to pen a &quot;novel&quot; whose only purpose is to demonize all gay people as child molesters, others have the right to call him on it and urge a boycott of the work, just as groups like NOM will probably urge people to buy it for the opposite reason. 

So don&#039;t give me that &quot;poor Orson Scott Card is the victim here!&quot; business. He wrote what he wanted, it was published, and he was no doubt paid for it. Now it&#039;s time for others to have their say in reaction to it, which is THEIR First Amendment right.

I&#039;m just sorry that Subterranean Press got mixed up in this because, again, I don&#039;t think that was their intent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would add that Orson Scott Card can write anything he likes, as guaranteed by the First Amendment. But Free Speech is a 2-way street. Freedom of Speech is by no means Freedom From Criticism Of What You Say. Just as he has the right to pen a &#8220;novel&#8221; whose only purpose is to demonize all gay people as child molesters, others have the right to call him on it and urge a boycott of the work, just as groups like NOM will probably urge people to buy it for the opposite reason. </p>
<p>So don&#8217;t give me that &#8220;poor Orson Scott Card is the victim here!&#8221; business. He wrote what he wanted, it was published, and he was no doubt paid for it. Now it&#8217;s time for others to have their say in reaction to it, which is THEIR First Amendment right.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just sorry that Subterranean Press got mixed up in this because, again, I don&#8217;t think that was their intent.</p>
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